<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!-- generator="wordpress/2.2.1" -->
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>4HisName.com</title>
	<link>http://blog.4hisname.com</link>
	<description>Thinking, Praying, Acting!</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1</generator>
	<language>en</language>
			<item>
		<title>Eugene&#8217;s Response</title>
		<link>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/24/eugenes-response/</link>
		<comments>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/24/eugenes-response/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Clingman</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Government School]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/24/eugenes-response/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Greetings to all of you who have been following this discussion! Christian has kept me up to date somewhat verbally, but finally I had opportunity to read (or rather have read to me while I drove the car) your correspondence. Good input, and a topic worthy of energetic thought and action.
I would like to make [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings to all of you who have been following this discussion! Christian has kept me up to date somewhat verbally, but finally I had opportunity to read (or rather have read to me while I drove the car) your correspondence. Good input, and a topic worthy of energetic thought and action.</p>
<p>I would like to make a few comments here and also give each of you a preliminary invitation (time &amp; date to be announced) to a theological discussion at our home in the next couple or so weeks.</p>
<p>I will attempt to respond in order from the oldest to the most recent comments in the two email trails I was forwarded by Christian.</p>
<p>David says, “I disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school.” – I will defer a detailed response to this until the theological discussion where I invite all who come to bring their biblically based (verses, biblical examples, biblical patterns) to discuss the theology/worldview (worldview comes out of our theology) that prompts you to hold the position you do.</p>
<p>In the same paragraph David also comments about the responsibility of parents in educating their kids. This responsibility does not “require homeschooling” – Agreed! However it does require that they school them Christianly. Fathers are to bring their children up in the fear and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6). This N.T. passage contains the same principle God commanded His people in Deut. 6 of the O.T., but Deut. goes into more detail. Deut. tells us that from the time we get up to the time we go to bed we are to be raising our kids Christianly, and all the time in between, including when we are walking in the way. There is no time we are not to be inculcating in our kids the Christian worldview; “walking in the way” would exclude a ride to school on the yellow bus where young Christian children spend hours each week learning from the pagan (those who reject Christ) kids around them.</p>
<p>David commented that some government school parents are irresponsible and some homeschool parents are irresponsible. But this reality has no bearing on whether government schooling Christian kids is right or wrong.</p>
<p>David commented that he thinks sending Christian kids to government schools &#8220;is very risky”. He reasons cogently that sending kids to government school is like asking adults to spend 30 hours a week in strip clubs in order to give a Christian witness. He seems to say this action would be sin unless this was “done with good strategy, accountability, lots of prayer support…” I agree that those things are needed for adults to go into a risky environment where they will face people their own age. But this is not the case for children in the GS (government schools). They do not face other kids their own age (primarily) they face a system, curriculum, and teachers (not all) who oppose the knowledge of God at worst maliciously and blatantly and in its most benign form as simply ignoring the God in whose hand the life the child is held, He who is Lord over science for He is Creator, Lord over history for He is sovereign over the nations, Lord over mathematics for He is the Creator of logic and order, etc. The child not only faces extreme pressure to conform to everyone around them, but immense, though subtle at times, pressure from the teacher whose word is commonly held (they system and curriculum teach this idea) as more important than the parent’s.</p>
<p>To exclude God from the education of one’s child or to teach them by default or implication that God is somehow not central to all of life and living is indeed sin.</p>
<p>David says, “I also think that for a Christian family who Jesus tells to put their kids in public school, it would be a sin to homeschool.” Where does Jesus speak? Is it not first and primarily in the Word of God? Since the Bible teaches against giving our children into the hands of pagan educators as it does in precept, history, and command, will Jesus speak out of the air, or in the heart something different? He will not! He does not contradict Himself in what He has revealed from Genesis to Revelation by impressions, voices, or leadings. The question is a matter of bringing ones suppositions about the voices and impressions they are hearing and which they call the voice of God into conformity to the Word and knowledge of God in the Bible (2 Cor. 10:5).</p>
<p>Regarding James 4:17 which I believe Karen aptly quoted, there is also such a thing as “sins done in ignorance” (Hebrews 9:7) which Jesus graciously covers with His atonement, but which nonetheless is sin and which God is working in us to sanctify us day by day to conformity to Jesus (who by the way was never trained for a single hour in a Greek school/gymnasium).</p>
<p>David’s example of the foster child situation - He asks, “How many of you with a teenage daughter in the house would take in a foster teenage boy 3 years older than that girl?&#8230;also had a 6-year-old son (David) in the house?” He also tells us of the multiplied risks involved and how foolish it looked to other Christians. Well, I would submit that such a situation would indeed need discernment and the Lord’s leading. But nowhere in Scripture is a family prevented from ministering to an orphan because riskes are involved. Indeed, we are encouraged to minister to orphans, and it is assumed risks will be involved in doing so; we are called to lay our lives down for Christ and His cause. However, we are instructed from the beginning of the Bible to the end to “come out from among them and be separate” which sending vulnerable and impressionable children into GS is certainly not.</p>
<p>Please see my blog for my recent response to a pastor on the subject of government schooling of Christian children: www.blog.GranolaDelights.com.</p>
<p>I am grateful for the opportunity to be included in this discussion. I have clearly not commented on everything that could be commented. And the responses from Amy and Karen I thought were excellent. And Christian, well, I by God’s grace, am the proud father of Christian who I believe is justified in his passion and advocacy against GS.</p>
<p>I hope we may meet together and bring the Bible to bare on these things in a “theological discussion” which we will schedule in the near future. Does the Bible sustain the right of a parent to place their child under a pagan and god-hating education system such as we have in America? Or does God require, yes, require Christian parents to take every precaution to educate their children Christianly? Yes, to prepare them so that they in turn can go out as soldiers, mature, full of faith and Christian understanding of the world around them, fit to effect the world for Jesus?</p>
<p>With love and appreciation for each of you,<br />
Eugene Clingman</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/24/eugenes-response/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The 95 Theses&#8230; more dialogue</title>
		<link>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/the-95-theses-more-dialogue/</link>
		<comments>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/the-95-theses-more-dialogue/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Clingman</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Government School]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/the-95-theses-more-dialogue/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[ .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } 
Hi, friends!  I probably didn&#8217;t send this along to everyone in the cc, but oh  well&#8230;.
My thoughts on the sending children into the &#8220;battlefield&#8221; is  this&#8211;  I heard it said that (and this is a paraphrase)  countries where they  send [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } </style>
<p>Hi, friends!  I probably didn&#8217;t send this along to everyone in the cc, but oh  well&#8230;.<br />
My thoughts on the sending children into the &#8220;battlefield&#8221; is  this&#8211;  I heard it said that (and this is a paraphrase)  countries where they  send children to war only indicates the sad and horrific state of affairs in  that nation.  Rwanda comes to mind, where children were forced to take up arms  or be shot.  Several years ago, there was a special on about the genocide/  &#8220;civil war&#8221; in Rwanda  in the 90s, and it was awful to watch.  A 12- year old  girl talked about being put in the circumstances I just described above.  She  became a &#8220;killing machine.&#8221;  Looking back, she says it was like being possessed  of a demon.  And I don&#8217;t doubt it.  The public school system is not the same  type of battlefield, but a battlefield it is.  Ideas always have consequences.   If what we are in is truly a spiritual warfare, and it is, I could never in good  conscience send my <em>young ones </em>off &#8220;to battle&#8221;  unprepared, unarmed,  unwise.  Wisdom takes time&#8211; often lots and lots of time.  Years.  I wouldn&#8217;t  dream of sending my 12-year old off to battle, and I would not encourage another  family to do so either.  Jesus went to speak with the elders in Jerusalem when  he was 12 or so, but he was GOD!  He spoke with authority because he had it!<br />
Just some thoughts&#8230;.   I really enjoy the discussion.<br />
James 4:17 says  &#8220;So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.&#8221;<br />
<font size="4" color="#000099" face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive"><font size="3">Karen</font> <img src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emlove.gif" width="19" height="19" /></font></p>
<p><font size="4" color="#800080" face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive"><strong>JESUS  IS LORD!</strong></font></p>
<hr id="stopSpelling" />
Amy,</p>
<p>Great stories.  I guess my question is about the word &#8220;sin.&#8221;  Is it a &#8220;sin&#8221;  to send your kids to public schools?  I do think it is very risky to send your  kids to public school.  My answer to people who say, &#8220;We need to have Christian  kids in public school so we can have a Christian influence in the system.&#8221; is,  &#8220;Great, using the same logic and strategy, lets encourage all the church  members to spend 6 hours 5 evenings per week in the local bars and strip clubs  so we have more Christian influence in those places.&#8221;  :)  Do I think it would  be a sin for church members to do that?  If it was done with good strategy,  accountability, lots of prayer support and, most importantly, at the prompting  of Jesus, that approach could have amazing evangelistic impacts on our  communities.</p>
<p>I really appreciate this conversation because you are forcing me to  solidify my beliefs in this area.  It just dawned on me what does not settle  well with me about calling it a &#8220;sin&#8221; to send kids to public school.  I have met  some families who truly think Jesus has called them to the mission of the public  schools.  They strategically prepared their kids every day, gave their kids  accountability and prayer supper, and the parents maintained an active presence  in the school system.  Those families felt Jesus required them to take that  approach.  For us homeschoolers to judge their actions as &#8220;sin&#8221; puts us at  risk of being in the same boat as the Pharisees.</p>
<p>We look at missionaries who take their families into closed pagan countries  where every element of the family&#8217;s well being is at risk as great heroes.  Why  can&#8217;t we give Christian parents who knowingly and courageously involve their  family in the battle of public schools the same way respect?</p>
<p>Having said this, I think most Christian parents make the decision to send  kids to public school as a default easy choice as opposed to a carefully  considered eternal decision.</p>
<p><br clear="all" />Grace and Courage,</p>
<p>David Freeman</p>
<p class="EC_gmail_quote">&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote class="EC_gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex"><p><font size="2" face="Arial">good dialogue!</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Something that has stuck in my  mind&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">through a comment from Eugene.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Russ and I ask (due to Eugene&#8217;s teachings) - where  in God&#8217;s Word can you find an example of God&#8217;s people turning their children  over to heathen / and or  gov&#8217;t authorities   to instruct them, teach them,  affect them?</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">There are really great, Christian people that teach  in the gov&#8217;t schools. Many in my family are there,and</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">(I used to be one of them! hee hee &#8212; not sure how  &#8216;great&#8217; but you know what I mean)</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">However, in most cases, their hands are tied by  beauracracy, state mandates, tests tied to funding, ACLU nonsense, etc  etc</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">And, experientially, school becomes a part of a  young person&#8217;s life that is sadly &#8212; very anti-God.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">And thus, life can become easily cordoned off into &#8220;church life&#8221;  home  life     &#8220;school life&#8221;<br />
When we did the TRUTH PROJECT with Dr. Del Tacket  it became so  apparent to us how duped we&#8217;ve been.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">(even we  who now have a pro-home education mindset.)</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">IF you haven&#8217;t sat under the teaching of the Truth Project&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;DO,  definitely do!</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">MY LAST 2 CENTS:</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Something I&#8217;ve noticed and have heard other mom&#8217;s testify to:</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Public School children - segregated by age</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">have great difficulty playing, sharing, caring, mentoring, and loving thier  siblings or others who are not IN THEIR GRADE!!!</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">It is a phenomenon.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Home Educated children play in large multi-age groups, and siblings tend to  get along and care about one another for the most part.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Public Ed. re-inforces this mentality of upper classmen, and segregation,  and separation.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">My friend who first called this to my attn. had 5 children in public  school.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">She said it would take about all summer to get her girls over the &#8220;mind of  age segregation&#8221;, and by the end of the summer they&#8217;d be playing well together  and very happy. Alas, all but to return to the age segregated school  system.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">She began homeschooling while her husband was in Iraq, and really noticed  the difference in her daughters&#8217; attitudes toward one another.  They became less  stressed about petty peer pressures and more loving and accepting of one another  as siblings. She actually saw &#8220;RELIEF&#8221; in their eyes and minds to not be under  such influences.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">Not sure how you want to term this&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  age segregation breaks down  relationships and opportunities for growth</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">If I can share one more quick story&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..A coach came into our  office this week and was talking about how he is thankful to be able to gear his  team toward the STRONGEST PLAYERS.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">In other words,      &#8220;we teach a difficult offense, and basically we always  teach to the highest level, the top players, and then everyone else pulls up to  that level &#8212; because they want to play, and they are inspired to reach for  their best.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">We asked him if the same applies in the classroom.  And he said,</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHat HAPPENS ACADEMICALLY =  UNFORTUNATELY.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">The p.s. classrooms are forces to TEACH TO THE LOWEST LEVEL of  ability&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. and they have been for some time now.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">which we already knew, but thougth this was a great example.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial">that&#8217;s my two cents,</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial"> <img src='http://blog.4hisname.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Amy S.</font></p>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #000000; padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px">
<p class="h5">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:39 PM</p>
<p style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: The 95 Theses</p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Christian,</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">I appreciate the thoughts behind the  e-mail you sent.<span>  </span>You caused me to think for a while about what  I believe and then formulate it in a way that makes sense..<span>  </span>I look  forward to having a good dialogue about this topic.</font><br />
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman">I  disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school.<span>   </span>There are pros and cons to public school, home school, and private  school.<span>  </span>I do think it is a sin for parents to take little or no  responsibility for their children’s education.<span>  </span>There are negligent  home, private and public school parents.<span>  </span>There are also highly  involved home, private and public school parents.<span>  </span>The problem with  public schools is that most parents now expect the government to completely  train their children, and the government has gladly taken that responsibility  and run away with it.<span>  </span>The key to a child’s success is not the mode  of formal education, but rather the reinforcement and life skills training that  the parents give at home.<span>  </span>The most important aspect of training  that parents give is the life the parents live.<span>  </span>If children see  hypocrisy between the parent’s home and public life, the children will be much  more inclined to ignore what the parents are attempting to teach at home.<span>   </span>Parents do bear a heavy responsibility for educating their  children.<span>  </span>That responsibility does not require home  schooling.</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Having said that, I do believe that sending kids  to public school today requires more effort on a parent’s part for raising  children with an accurate world view and character than it did a generation  ago..<span>  </span>I think instilling an accurate worldview in children while  they are in public school requires more time and effort on the part of the  parents than home schooling.<span>  </span>I also think the overall standards in  the public school keep lowering so that in order to give a good formal education  parents would have to teach at home anyway.<span>  </span>So, I think home  school is the most efficient and rewarding way for parents to fulfill their  training obligations.</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Grace and  Courage,</font><br />
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman">David Freeman</font></p></blockquote>
</blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/the-95-theses-more-dialogue/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>95 Thesis Discussion</title>
		<link>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/95-thesis-discussion/</link>
		<comments>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/95-thesis-discussion/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Clingman</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Government School]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/95-thesis-discussion/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[

  

Fantastic points David!
  
Not sure if  you noticed, but I kind of &#8220;chickened out&#8221; on even addressing the issue of &#8220;calling it a sin&#8221;
 
At this point in time, I can not look someone in the eye and tell them that putting their children in public school is a sin.
I don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s my place.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document" /><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11" /><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11" /></p>
<link href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CEUGENE%7E1%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml" rel="File-List" /><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"></o:smarttagtype><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>  <w:WordDocument>   <w:View>Normal</w:View>   <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom>   <w:PunctuationKerning/>   <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/>   <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>   <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent>   <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>   <w:Compatibility>    <w:BreakWrappedTables/>    <w:SnapToGridInCell/>    <w:WrapTextWithPunct/>    <w:UseAsianBreakRules/>    <w:DontGrowAutofit/>   </w:Compatibility>  </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>  <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156">  </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object  classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object><br />
<style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style>
<p> <![endif]--></p>
<style> <!--  /* Style Definitions */  p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} p 	{mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --> </style>
<p><!--[if gte mso 10]></p>
<style>  /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0in; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style>
<p> <![endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Fantastic points David!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">  <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Not sure if  you noticed, but I kind of &#8220;chickened out&#8221; on even addressing the issue of &#8220;calling it a sin&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">At this point in time, I can not look someone in the eye and tell them that putting their children in public school is a sin.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s my place.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">It has been very very interesting and encouraging to see many older people in our church become awakened to the facts about how </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">drastically the schools have changed since they were there.  And it appears to be easier for those who are older to see this truth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Those who have their children in p.s. currently, and are caught up in the &#8220;rat race&#8221; of it all appear to be unable / unwilling to even consider the real ramifications.  This is just something we&#8217;ve observed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Loved you example about &#8220;Christian influence in the bars, etc..&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Our view has been, that we would not send little ones out to fight the Philistines or any other ungodly enemies until they are</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">strong in the faith, in a Biblical worldview, and well-equipped for the battle.  Therefore, why send my first grader out to be salt and light&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..or my fourth grader&#8230;&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8230;&#8230;..when we all know the degree that children follow adults and how strong an adults influence can be upon them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I truly valued Mrs. Beller&#8217;s comments at the Mother&#8217;s Tea when she compared her kids to plants with roots&#8230;.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">you protect the young, tender roots, and you set them out in the weather from time to time, but then you bring them back in</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">to shelter them until they are mature roots.  (something like that)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever met someone who said their entire family was called to be in public school.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I do think there are forms of ministry that happen in p.s. at times, simply because there are Christians there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">When I taught high school I had some really great relationships with the students and some still correspond with me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">They knew what my beliefs were, and they were frankly very respectful about my stance and almost relieved to know</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">an adult who had steadfast beliefs and boundaries.   I do think it can be a mission field.  But a most dangerous one for</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">a youngster.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I guess my concerns are that in our country, it seems to have gone one direction for so long&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;downhill.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And I believe that parents and private sector people can always do a better job than government.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The school system is a big, powerful &#8220;beast&#8221; &#8211;   Large Animal  &#8211;   </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And it is much to our nation&#8217;s detriment how big and how rotten it has become.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">One example is required reading:  There&#8217;s a book out now, (you can look at this on Wikipedia under Nickel and Dimed)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">a woman basically wrote a book about how no one can make it in America anymore, and she set out to prove that a job </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">will not lift you out of poverty.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Only the wealthy can make it.   </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(In other words, The American Dream no longer exists, Capitalism is evil, and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">it&#8217;s best when the government takes care of all of the people&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..through welfare, education, mandatory pre-school for kids</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">ages 3 and up&#8230;&#8230;..etc&#8230;.. free healthcare for everyone,   etc.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">This is required reading!!!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And, the product of our ps systems is highly visible in our nation&#8217;s  priorities and politics.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">It is frankly frightening how much power they do have.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And, some say that&#8217;s been their intent from the beginning.  Get the children, and you own the minds of the next generation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">If you can take over social/community groups and train them to even doubt God, you&#8217;ll win.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Thankfully,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">A young man wrote another book to the contrary. (Wikipedia - Nickel and Dimed )</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">He started out with 25.00, went to an unknown town, worked very hard,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">worked his way up to better jobs, bought a used truck, and shared an apt with</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">a room mate.  He &#8220;made it&#8221; with hard work and dedication.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">This book, however, isn&#8217;t &#8216;required&#8217; reading.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I am rambling.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I may even be off point.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I have been on both sides of this fence. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I was on the other side prior to becoming a mother.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I pray and believe that God is raising up a generation of godly, children to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">take over high places in this nation and that will be used mightily to further the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">God</st1:placename></st1:place>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I believe many of these will be home educated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I am still learning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Below is a list of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Some good points I&#8217;ve picked up on lately from other believers</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Dr. Del Tacket (Truth Project) YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS STUDY IF YOU HAVEN&#8221;T</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">every Christian should.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">He brings out that  education/ cultures must answer several questions:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial">Who is man?</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial">Who is God?</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial">How does our government school / culture answer these</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">There is an ongoing conflict between our sinful nature (desires) and our Spirit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Humanist thinking teaches students to LIVE FOR SELF</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">and you are nothing more than a cosmic accident.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">They view basic needs as &#8220;Instincts&#8221; and teach we are no more than animals.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(I realized WHY PETA &#8212; people can get so riled up about saving the whales&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;they&#8217;ve been </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">taught for so long that we are no better than the animals. <img src='http://blog.4hisname.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">If you begin to make me feel guilty about the pursuit of my desires - you are intolerant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">It&#8217;s all about me following my own script and my own desires.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">this is so dangerous.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">As a p.s. student from a very excellent Christian home, I can relate how damaged my mind was by </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">p.s. teachings. ( And I won&#8217;t even get into the collegiate issues)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Biblically, gov&#8217;t only has two jobs: </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">1. punish evil</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">2. condone good</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(gov&#8217;t must know what is good and what is evil)</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">We have lost control.  We are the inheritors of a fantastic Christian legacy from </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">before the founding fathers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Men have forgotten God.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">George Washington&#8217;s farewell address&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;he knew how important morality was</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">to leadership&#8230;&#8230;.if the republic was going to survive</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Revisionist history is lies that all of this nation&#8217;s p.s. children have been taught.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">THey have not been taught truth / true history.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">They&#8217;ve been mentally ripped off really.  Robbed of the truth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Look at what has been &#8220;deleted&#8221; from the Mayflower Compact.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">A people without a heritage are very easily persuaded.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">If I can change your hist. context, I can change your view of the present. &#8212; Historical Revisionism - Lies taught to our kids.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">We are left with no sense of identity or wisdom to move forward when we are robbed of the truth of history.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">When any sense of belonging to a larger picture is destroyed, our purpose is destroyed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Cursed is all learning contrary to the cross of Christ.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Only virtuous people are capable of FREEDOM.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Others have said:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I see why some call this an annihilation of godly seed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">We are to make a way for our children to meditate on the Law of the Lord day and night.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Without faith it is impossible to please God.<br />
Schools today are &#8220;without faith&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Shake the Nation:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Jesus saying &#8220;suffer the little children come unto me, for such is the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">kingdom</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">God</st1:placename></st1:place>&#8221; paraphrase</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Jesus EQUATES the KINDGOM OF GOD to CHILDREN!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">This makes so much sense!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Our society has become so anti-child.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The taking captive of our children&#8217;s minds is equivalent to a frontal assault against the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">God</st1:placename></st1:place>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(The enemy is blowing up our ammunition dumps - -  quivers full of children/arrows)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">In every generation the battlefront shifts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">This is our lap of the race &#8212; what will my lap look like?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Alright , I&#8217;m thinking now, it probably is sin.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">My children are well aware of what sinners look like, because they live with me!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I sin in front of them.  I repent.  I teach them.  I do still sin.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I don&#8217;t think sending your children to p.s. will send you to hell.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I guess I am seeing now that it is sin.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Dr. Tacket reminds me of the great degree to which I have been duped in my thinking.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And he does it so humbly, eloquently and alongside of me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Sorry this was so lengthy!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">It goes against my English teacher editing drive! <img src='http://blog.4hisname.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">amy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I am also realizing I need to listen to Del Tacket again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">My brainwashing has been diluted by godly teaching, but my brain still</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">needs frequent washing on this issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Oh my, I&#8217;ll stop now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: #e4e4e4 none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><br />
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Sent:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:29 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Subject:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> Re: The 95 Theses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Amy,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Great stories.  I guess my question is about the word &#8220;sin.&#8221;  Is it a &#8220;sin&#8221; to send your kids to public schools?  I do think it is very risky to send your kids to public school.  My answer to people who say, &#8220;We need to have Christian kids in public school so we can have a Christian influence in the system.&#8221; is, &#8220;Great, using the same logic and strategy, lets encourage all the church members to spend 6 hours 5 evenings per week in the local bars and strip clubs so we have more Christian influence in those places.&#8221;  :)  Do I think it would be a sin for church members to do that?  If it was done with good strategy, accountability, lots of prayer support and, most importantly, at the prompting of Jesus, that approach could have amazing evangelistic impacts on our communities.  <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I really appreciate this conversation because you are forcing me to solidify my beliefs in this area.  It just dawned on me what does not settle well with me about calling it a &#8220;sin&#8221; to send kids to public school.  I have met some families who truly think Jesus has called them to the mission of the public schools.  They strategically prepared their kids every day, gave their kids accountability and prayer supper, and the parents maintained an active presence in the school system.  Those families felt Jesus required them to take that approach.  For us homeschoolers to judge their actions as &#8220;sin&#8221; puts us at risk of being in the same boat as the Pharisees.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We look at missionaries who take their families into closed pagan countries where every element of the family&#8217;s well being is at risk as great heroes.  Why can&#8217;t we give Christian parents who knowingly and courageously involve their family in the battle of public schools the same way respect?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Having said this, I think most Christian parents make the decision to send kids to public school as a default easy choice as opposed to a carefully considered eternal decision.  <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all" /> Grace and Courage,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt">David</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Amy wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">good dialogue!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Something that has stuck in my mind&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">through a comment from <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Eugene</st1:place></st1:city>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Russ and I ask (due to <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Eugene</st1:place></st1:city>&#8217;s teachings) - where in God&#8217;s Word can you find an example of God&#8217;s people turning their children over to heathen / and or  gov&#8217;t authorities   to instruct them, teach them, affect them?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">There are really great, Christian people that teach in the gov&#8217;t schools. Many in my family are there,and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(I used to be one of them! hee hee &#8212; not sure how &#8216;great&#8217; but you know what I mean)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">However, in most cases, their hands are tied by beauracracy, state mandates, tests tied to funding, ACLU nonsense, etc etc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And, experientially, school becomes a part of a young person&#8217;s life that is sadly &#8212; very anti-God.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And thus, life can become easily cordoned off into &#8220;church life&#8221;  home life     &#8220;school life&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><br />
When we did the TRUTH PROJECT with Dr. Del Tacket  it became so apparent to us how duped we&#8217;ve been.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(even we  who now have a pro-home education mindset.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">IF you haven&#8217;t sat under the teaching of the Truth Project&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.DO, definitely do!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">MY LAST 2 CENTS:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Something I&#8217;ve noticed and have heard other mom&#8217;s testify to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Public School children - segregated by age<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">have great difficulty playing, sharing, caring, mentoring, and loving thier siblings or others who are not IN THEIR GRADE!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">It is a phenomenon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Home Educated children play in large multi-age groups, and siblings tend to get along and care about one another for the most part.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Public Ed. re-inforces this mentality of upper classmen, and segregation, and separation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">My friend who first called this to my attn. had 5 children in public school.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">She said it would take about all summer to get her girls over the &#8220;mind of age segregation&#8221;, and by the end of the summer they&#8217;d be playing well together and very happy. Alas, all but to return to the age segregated school system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">She began homeschooling while her husband was in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>, and really noticed the difference in her daughters&#8217; attitudes toward one another.  They became less stressed about petty peer pressures and more loving and accepting of one another as siblings. She actually saw &#8220;RELIEF&#8221; in their eyes and minds to not be under such influences.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Not sure how you want to term this&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  age segregation breaks down relationships and opportunities for growth<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">If I can share one more quick story&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..A coach came into our office this week and was talking about how he is thankful to be able to gear his team toward the STRONGEST PLAYERS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">In other words,      &#8220;we teach a difficult offense, and basically we always teach to the highest level, the top players, and then everyone else pulls up to that level &#8212; because they want to play, and they are inspired to reach for their best.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">We asked him if the same applies in the classroom.  And he said,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHat HAPPENS ACADEMICALLY = UNFORTUNATELY.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The p.s. classrooms are forces to TEACH TO THE LOWEST LEVEL of ability&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; and they have been for some time now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">which we already knew, but thougth this was a great example.     <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">that&#8217;s my two cents,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <img src='http://blog.4hisname.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Amy <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Sent:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:39 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Subject:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> Re: The 95 Theses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Christian,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the thoughts behind the e-mail you sent.  You caused me to think for a while about what I believe and then formulate it in a way that makes sense..  I look forward to having a good dialogue about this topic.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt">I disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school.  There are pros and cons to public school, home school, and private school.  I do think it is a sin for parents to take little or no responsibility for their children’s education.  There are negligent home, private and public school parents.  There are also highly involved home, private and public school parents.  The problem with public schools is that most parents now expect the government to completely train their children, and the government has gladly taken that responsibility and run away with it.  The key to a child’s success is not the mode of formal education, but rather the reinforcement and life skills training that the parents give at home.  The most important aspect of training that parents give is the life the parents live.  If children see hypocrisy between the parent’s home and public life, the children will be much more inclined to ignore what the parents are attempting to teach at home.  Parents do bear a heavy responsibility for educating their children.  That responsibility does not require home schooling.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt">Having said that, I do believe that sending kids to public school today requires more effort on a parent’s part for raising children with an accurate world view and character than it did a generation ago..  I think instilling an accurate worldview in children while they are in public school requires more time and effort on the part of the parents than home schooling.  I also think the overall standards in the public school keep lowering so that in order to give a good formal education parents would have to teach at home anyway.  So, I think home school is the most efficient and rewarding way for parents to fulfill their training obligations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt">Grace and Courage,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt">David</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt"><br clear="all" /> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Christian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Greetings Sirs and Ladies,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">My name is Christian Clingman. Me and my dad are on a hot fight with Satan who loves to indoctrinate our Christian children in the public schools. We and our family know that sending our Christian kids off to school is not only un-Biblical but it is also a sin. Those that agree with us and many others before us have listed it as the 2nd most debilitating thing in the Church today. We hope you will take time to read this letter and email your thoughts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">My dad recently interviewed a pastor in our area. My dad got into a conversation with him on Public Schools. The pastor had the idea (as most pastors do have) that sending Christian kids of to Public Schools would help to further the Great Commission and have the kid be a &#8220;sald and light&#8221; to those around him. We could not convince the pastor in what we believed in and so went home.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">That Sunday afternoon, my dad and I talked with each other and we came with the idea that we should come out with a 95 Theses on Public Schools. These 95 Theses my dad and I are helping to create are full of 95 things that are a bad influence to our kids.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Please email back more theses or reasons on the bad influences of Public Schools. We would also appreciate your thoughts or suggestions or editations on this document. The International Church Council Project approves this work and is helping to work on this. They strongly believe that sending our Christian kids off to Public Schools is not only un-Biblical, but also it is a sin. Our Church and most reformed believers believe that this dillema is the 2nd most Debilitating thing in the Church. Please join the cause!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Go with God,<br />
Christian LC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">P.S This is how many bad influences and things in this list that the International Church Council Project and others have put out. We are not quite finish with it yet. We need Please email any other reasons. This is our first document that we are thinking of coming out right now. And once this document is finished, International Church Council Project would gladly send you the finished document for you to sign&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">~~~~</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center"><span style="font-size: 14pt">The 95 Theses</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center">Articles concerning the 2<sup>nd</sup> Most Debilitating Parasite in the Church<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center">~~~<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center">In the Name of God, Amen.<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt">We the Church of Christ, and faithful followers of Christianity, and citizens of Christendom, do here by declare to the saints of the Church and our brothers in Christ, a dragon or serpent in our midst, which has for the past century, eaten away the hope of the Church and the lives of our children. We declare to thee therefore, the articles that need to be shown and read to thee and thy families. Our conscience is captive to the word of God. So must yours. Seek the truth, and the truth will set us free, and most importantly our hope.<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt">                        Amen.<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">  <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">~~~</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">1. Ruining the hope of the Church.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">2. Stealing the minds of Children.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">3. Turning the heart of the children from the Father.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">4. Slays our Children.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">5. Messes their body.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">6. Separates couples.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">7. Joins same gender.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">8. Conforms them to the world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">9. Hard to live life.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">10. Helps the enemy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">11. They join the media and make up deceptive stories and words.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">12. Progression of Islam.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">13. Brings curses on the land.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">14. Forms new ideas contrary to the Word of God.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">15. Makes them weak to protect their lives and that of others.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">16. Fight for a wrong cause.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">17. Traitorism.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">18. Less Honorable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">19. Produces Pornography.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">20. Doesn’t help parents to practice in the things of God.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">21. Less Bible Knowledge.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">22. Makes government weak and evil.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">23. Makes workers lazy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">24. Less money returned to God&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">25. Makes them Idolize Money.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">26. They ignore their children&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">27. Hard to read.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">28. Hard to solve math.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">29. Destroys our nation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">30. Idolizes Character.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">31. Idolizes Others.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">32. Lack of joining God in Fellowship.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">33. Less Good Literature.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">34. Causes a despising character against foreigners.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">35. Makes nature and animals more important then human life.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://blog.4hisname.com/2009/03/23/95-thesis-discussion/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Sanctity of Life - Jerry - New Strategy</title>
		<link>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-jerry-new-strategy/</link>
		<comments>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-jerry-new-strategy/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Clingman</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Sanctity of Life]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-jerry-new-strategy/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[JAY AND GENE, I still believe we need a new strategy (perhaps Gene’s wise counsel below) or at least discuss the strategy and the biblical ramifications of this with “leaders” and those with a heart for this killing of babies in the pro-life community, as discussed in our early 2006 conference phone call Board meeting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy">JAY AND GENE, I still believe we need a new strategy (perhaps Gene’s wise counsel below) or at least discuss the strategy and the biblical ramifications of this with “leaders” and those with a heart for this killing of babies in the pro-life community, as discussed in our early 2006 conference phone call Board meeting of COR (when I proposed this and we pursued the #22 Essentials, which is excellent work). Our shameful baloney about the partial-birth abortion matter, with congressional legislation a few years back, finally culminating in the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the ban on this “procedure” and Justice Kennedy’s remarks on it (again confusing and maybe deceiving pro-lifers) which ONLY did one thing: stop a particularly gruesome way of killing babies who are ready for birth, with various restrictions. It did not really stop even one baby from being murdered in or out of the womb by abortionists, who can go to other gruesome procedures as well and get around the restrictions. We are always so kind (and we think we are being wise as serpents, but more we are harmless as doves, but non-effective) - by taking little tiny baby (so to speak) steps in this abortion industry and blight on America. I like Gene’s proposal (approach) and think much brainstorming talk needs to be done, with the high powered groups out there fighting the battle. We must stand for godly (God’s) principles and commandments. Oh my gosh, how many years in America will the church continue to kow-tow on this issue, pussyfoot around, and tolerate the murdering of innocent (so to speak) children before they are born or even at birth!!!!! We can rescue some at abortion mills, and that is good. We can pray all we want, but we need a comprehensive (2.4 year) plan to end it; through Imprecatory Prayer and wiser and better approaches to reach people and save children and terminate the “legal” murders, etc. etc.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt" /></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy">A summit meeting of key people, and some others at the mills, and those we are getting on our lists. Who is ever going to do it when we are all going our separate ways, with approaches that are good intentioned and making some difference. But even after this partial birth ban, we are NO better (other than maybe the general public becoming a little bit more aware). The opposition took on the pro-choice banner (verbiage) as their campaign a long time ago, and we have yet to counter that garbage effectively. I do not have the answers, but I believe Gene is on the right track; and COR and Int’l Church Council has one of the better biblically-reasoned position papers. We need a summit on this issue! (I think even more than “organizing” trying to get pastors and pastor councils going around the country which will take umpteen years; while a much worthy goal)&#8230;.. IF we can’t lick abortion in the USA after 35 years, when will we ever do so. Business as usual is not making much of a dent. Radical approaches and campaigns, and action with prayers, coordinated perhaps among key pro-life groups and people. Like the Unruh’s in So. Dakota – Jay’s friends. But so many more. Like the Florida group Jay met with. But Operation Rescue, National Right to Life League and so many more groups and people; we could come together and at least talk about a new direction or continue to the old direction. As Pastor Ed Martin in Florida, who goes to mills several days a week to rescue babies and mothers, says: The Church could stop abortion quickly if we were all serious about doing so (most pastors aren’t)!</span><span style="font-size: 10pt" /></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy">Shall we take the lead on this (as a main and primary focus, along with Solemn Assemblies) of our 24-year Plan (and make it our 2.4 year goal) to END ABORTION IN AMERICA!!!!!????????</span><span style="font-size: 10pt" /></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy">Any furthering thoughts on this? Do we have a Sanctity of Life Committee and what is it doing about getting our documents into the hands of those who are interested in this pro-life Christian matter and then to maybe get everyone we can together (discreetly if possible) to hammer out a focus and new strategy the Lord may give us as to how to reach more people, and shut down more clinics and override the Supreme Court with their insane pronouncements and decisions on allowing legal murder of our children and for so long. The impotent Church must arise to this task!!!!!! Jerry</span><span style="font-size: 10pt" /></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt"> </span></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-jerry-new-strategy/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Sanctity of Life - Eugene Thinks, Prays, Responds!</title>
		<link>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-eugene-thinks-prays-responds/</link>
		<comments>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-eugene-thinks-prays-responds/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Clingman</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Sanctity of Life]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-eugene-thinks-prays-responds/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Jerry,
 I believe we Christians  need to be coming to grips with the essence of why abortion is wrong. It is  wrong because God is the only one who has the sovereignty to determine who  should live and who should die (Deut. 32:39). Watching such a film as you  referred us [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial">Jerry,</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial"> I believe we Christians  need to be coming to grips with the essence of why abortion is wrong. It is  wrong because God is the only one who has the sovereignty to determine who  should live and who should die (Deut. 32:39). Watching such a film as you  referred us to can make one feel sentimental and/or abhorred over the mutilation  of little bodies, but when we go to the root of why this is wrong we must stand  in the fact that God is, that He is Creator of life, and therefore is the only  one who may determine who should live or die. This Sovereign Creator God has  given us direction concerning the killing of certain people (capital punishment  for murder, rape, kidnapping, adultery, homosexuality, etc. as according to  God’s Word), but He has given us no authority to take life from the womb, from  newborns, or from sickly or deformed people. Therefore we must not take it. If  God wants someone dead, He is well able to remove life from them (or as in  instances of capital punishment mandated by God the state is authorized). Humans  are not authorized to decide who lives and dies apart from those instances in  which we are directed by God’s Word. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial"> Are we Christians  impotent in the “right to life” fight because we compromise with sentimentalists  who do not bow to this truth? Are we in doing so as the Children of Israel going  into Canaan failing to deal totally with the  enemy? (Deut. 33:55-56). Do we allow the enemy to live in our midst and so  render ourselves unable to carry the battle forward because we do not deal with  the real issues?</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial">I believe ending  abortion must be accomplished by restoring to our culture (and by insisting in  our pro-life endeavors) the absolute sovereignty of God over life. We bow before  Him. To fight abortion on the terms of antinomian sentimentalists who feel  queasy over the destruction of little bodies will continue to render us without  lasting success.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial"> As we are wise as  serpents and harmless as doves, we must maintain “No  Neutrality!”</span></font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-eugene-thinks-prays-responds/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Sanctity of Life - An email from Jerry begins our conversation</title>
		<link>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-an-email-from-jerry-begins-our-conversation/</link>
		<comments>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-an-email-from-jerry-begins-our-conversation/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Clingman</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Sanctity of Life]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-an-email-from-jerry-begins-our-conversation/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Dear Jay,  Dave, Gene, kindly check out this website and hook on to the video tape of an  aborted baby (its dead body, limbs, organs, etc.).
Maybe something like  this ought to be sent to key people together with our Essentials #22 on Sanctity  of Human Life?  Who is the Committee [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dear Jay,  Dave, Gene, kindly check out this website and hook on to the video tape of an  aborted baby (its dead body, limbs, organs, etc.).</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Maybe something like  this ought to be sent to key people together with our Essentials #22 on Sanctity  of Human Life?  Who is the Committee networking and coordinating distribution of  the #22 documents and helping on a campaign to end baby murder (child  sacrifice)?  This is from England.  I think we need some sort of SUMMIT MEETING  of all the Pro-Life groups in USA to figure out a new campaign (not to ignore  the Holy Spirit, but to find where God is working on this crucial issue and get  going faster).  We have all these wonderful documents prepared by excellent  theologians and Christian brothers; how can we get them to people who can  utilize them in this battle for “life”????  (anyway, is the video on this  website too gruesome (or graphic anyway) for dissemination, or will it rile up  people for action and educate women to reconsider what they are doing (and how  to get into their hands)?????   Jerry</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">The LifeLeague Website - http://www.uklifeleague.com</font><a title="http://www.uklifeleague.com/" href="http://www.uklifeleague.com/" /><br />
<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <a title="http://www.uklifeleague.com/" href="http://www.uklifeleague.com/" />  </font></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://blog.4hisname.com/2007/06/02/sanctity-of-life-an-email-from-jerry-begins-our-conversation/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
