Eugene’s Response

March 24, 2009 by Eugene Clingman.

Greetings to all of you who have been following this discussion! Christian has kept me up to date somewhat verbally, but finally I had opportunity to read (or rather have read to me while I drove the car) your correspondence. Good input, and a topic worthy of energetic thought and action.

I would like to make a few comments here and also give each of you a preliminary invitation (time & date to be announced) to a theological discussion at our home in the next couple or so weeks.

I will attempt to respond in order from the oldest to the most recent comments in the two email trails I was forwarded by Christian.

David says, “I disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school.” – I will defer a detailed response to this until the theological discussion where I invite all who come to bring their biblically based (verses, biblical examples, biblical patterns) to discuss the theology/worldview (worldview comes out of our theology) that prompts you to hold the position you do.

In the same paragraph David also comments about the responsibility of parents in educating their kids. This responsibility does not “require homeschooling” – Agreed! However it does require that they school them Christianly. Fathers are to bring their children up in the fear and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6). This N.T. passage contains the same principle God commanded His people in Deut. 6 of the O.T., but Deut. goes into more detail. Deut. tells us that from the time we get up to the time we go to bed we are to be raising our kids Christianly, and all the time in between, including when we are walking in the way. There is no time we are not to be inculcating in our kids the Christian worldview; “walking in the way” would exclude a ride to school on the yellow bus where young Christian children spend hours each week learning from the pagan (those who reject Christ) kids around them.

David commented that some government school parents are irresponsible and some homeschool parents are irresponsible. But this reality has no bearing on whether government schooling Christian kids is right or wrong.

David commented that he thinks sending Christian kids to government schools “is very risky”. He reasons cogently that sending kids to government school is like asking adults to spend 30 hours a week in strip clubs in order to give a Christian witness. He seems to say this action would be sin unless this was “done with good strategy, accountability, lots of prayer support…” I agree that those things are needed for adults to go into a risky environment where they will face people their own age. But this is not the case for children in the GS (government schools). They do not face other kids their own age (primarily) they face a system, curriculum, and teachers (not all) who oppose the knowledge of God at worst maliciously and blatantly and in its most benign form as simply ignoring the God in whose hand the life the child is held, He who is Lord over science for He is Creator, Lord over history for He is sovereign over the nations, Lord over mathematics for He is the Creator of logic and order, etc. The child not only faces extreme pressure to conform to everyone around them, but immense, though subtle at times, pressure from the teacher whose word is commonly held (they system and curriculum teach this idea) as more important than the parent’s.

To exclude God from the education of one’s child or to teach them by default or implication that God is somehow not central to all of life and living is indeed sin.

David says, “I also think that for a Christian family who Jesus tells to put their kids in public school, it would be a sin to homeschool.” Where does Jesus speak? Is it not first and primarily in the Word of God? Since the Bible teaches against giving our children into the hands of pagan educators as it does in precept, history, and command, will Jesus speak out of the air, or in the heart something different? He will not! He does not contradict Himself in what He has revealed from Genesis to Revelation by impressions, voices, or leadings. The question is a matter of bringing ones suppositions about the voices and impressions they are hearing and which they call the voice of God into conformity to the Word and knowledge of God in the Bible (2 Cor. 10:5).

Regarding James 4:17 which I believe Karen aptly quoted, there is also such a thing as “sins done in ignorance” (Hebrews 9:7) which Jesus graciously covers with His atonement, but which nonetheless is sin and which God is working in us to sanctify us day by day to conformity to Jesus (who by the way was never trained for a single hour in a Greek school/gymnasium).

David’s example of the foster child situation - He asks, “How many of you with a teenage daughter in the house would take in a foster teenage boy 3 years older than that girl?…also had a 6-year-old son (David) in the house?” He also tells us of the multiplied risks involved and how foolish it looked to other Christians. Well, I would submit that such a situation would indeed need discernment and the Lord’s leading. But nowhere in Scripture is a family prevented from ministering to an orphan because riskes are involved. Indeed, we are encouraged to minister to orphans, and it is assumed risks will be involved in doing so; we are called to lay our lives down for Christ and His cause. However, we are instructed from the beginning of the Bible to the end to “come out from among them and be separate” which sending vulnerable and impressionable children into GS is certainly not.

Please see my blog for my recent response to a pastor on the subject of government schooling of Christian children: www.blog.GranolaDelights.com.

I am grateful for the opportunity to be included in this discussion. I have clearly not commented on everything that could be commented. And the responses from Amy and Karen I thought were excellent. And Christian, well, I by God’s grace, am the proud father of Christian who I believe is justified in his passion and advocacy against GS.

I hope we may meet together and bring the Bible to bare on these things in a “theological discussion” which we will schedule in the near future. Does the Bible sustain the right of a parent to place their child under a pagan and god-hating education system such as we have in America? Or does God require, yes, require Christian parents to take every precaution to educate their children Christianly? Yes, to prepare them so that they in turn can go out as soldiers, mature, full of faith and Christian understanding of the world around them, fit to effect the world for Jesus?

With love and appreciation for each of you,
Eugene Clingman

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The 95 Theses… more dialogue

March 23, 2009 by Eugene Clingman.

Hi, friends!  I probably didn’t send this along to everyone in the cc, but oh well….
My thoughts on the sending children into the “battlefield” is this–  I heard it said that (and this is a paraphrase)  countries where they send children to war only indicates the sad and horrific state of affairs in that nation.  Rwanda comes to mind, where children were forced to take up arms or be shot.  Several years ago, there was a special on about the genocide/ “civil war” in Rwanda  in the 90s, and it was awful to watch.  A 12- year old girl talked about being put in the circumstances I just described above.  She became a “killing machine.”  Looking back, she says it was like being possessed of a demon.  And I don’t doubt it.  The public school system is not the same type of battlefield, but a battlefield it is.  Ideas always have consequences.  If what we are in is truly a spiritual warfare, and it is, I could never in good conscience send my young ones off “to battle”  unprepared, unarmed, unwise.  Wisdom takes time– often lots and lots of time.  Years.  I wouldn’t dream of sending my 12-year old off to battle, and I would not encourage another family to do so either.  Jesus went to speak with the elders in Jerusalem when he was 12 or so, but he was GOD!  He spoke with authority because he had it!
Just some thoughts….   I really enjoy the discussion.
James 4:17 says “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.”
Karen

JESUS IS LORD!

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Amy,

Great stories.  I guess my question is about the word “sin.”  Is it a “sin” to send your kids to public schools?  I do think it is very risky to send your kids to public school.  My answer to people who say, “We need to have Christian kids in public school so we can have a Christian influence in the system.” is, “Great, using the same logic and strategy, lets encourage all the church members to spend 6 hours 5 evenings per week in the local bars and strip clubs so we have more Christian influence in those places.”  :)  Do I think it would be a sin for church members to do that?  If it was done with good strategy, accountability, lots of prayer support and, most importantly, at the prompting of Jesus, that approach could have amazing evangelistic impacts on our communities.

I really appreciate this conversation because you are forcing me to solidify my beliefs in this area.  It just dawned on me what does not settle well with me about calling it a “sin” to send kids to public school.  I have met some families who truly think Jesus has called them to the mission of the public schools.  They strategically prepared their kids every day, gave their kids accountability and prayer supper, and the parents maintained an active presence in the school system.  Those families felt Jesus required them to take that approach.  For us homeschoolers to judge their actions as “sin” puts us at risk of being in the same boat as the Pharisees.

We look at missionaries who take their families into closed pagan countries where every element of the family’s well being is at risk as great heroes.  Why can’t we give Christian parents who knowingly and courageously involve their family in the battle of public schools the same way respect?

Having said this, I think most Christian parents make the decision to send kids to public school as a default easy choice as opposed to a carefully considered eternal decision.

Grace and Courage,

David Freeman

 

good dialogue!

Something that has stuck in my mind………….

through a comment from Eugene.

Russ and I ask (due to Eugene’s teachings) - where in God’s Word can you find an example of God’s people turning their children over to heathen / and or  gov’t authorities   to instruct them, teach them, affect them?

There are really great, Christian people that teach in the gov’t schools. Many in my family are there,and

(I used to be one of them! hee hee — not sure how ‘great’ but you know what I mean)

However, in most cases, their hands are tied by beauracracy, state mandates, tests tied to funding, ACLU nonsense, etc etc

And, experientially, school becomes a part of a young person’s life that is sadly — very anti-God.

And thus, life can become easily cordoned off into “church life”  home life     “school life”
When we did the TRUTH PROJECT with Dr. Del Tacket  it became so apparent to us how duped we’ve been.

(even we  who now have a pro-home education mindset.)

IF you haven’t sat under the teaching of the Truth Project………DO, definitely do!

MY LAST 2 CENTS:

Something I’ve noticed and have heard other mom’s testify to:

Public School children - segregated by age

have great difficulty playing, sharing, caring, mentoring, and loving thier siblings or others who are not IN THEIR GRADE!!!

It is a phenomenon.

Home Educated children play in large multi-age groups, and siblings tend to get along and care about one another for the most part.

Public Ed. re-inforces this mentality of upper classmen, and segregation, and separation.

My friend who first called this to my attn. had 5 children in public school.

She said it would take about all summer to get her girls over the “mind of age segregation”, and by the end of the summer they’d be playing well together and very happy. Alas, all but to return to the age segregated school system.

She began homeschooling while her husband was in Iraq, and really noticed the difference in her daughters’ attitudes toward one another.  They became less stressed about petty peer pressures and more loving and accepting of one another as siblings. She actually saw “RELIEF” in their eyes and minds to not be under such influences.

Not sure how you want to term this…………  age segregation breaks down relationships and opportunities for growth

If I can share one more quick story……………..A coach came into our office this week and was talking about how he is thankful to be able to gear his team toward the STRONGEST PLAYERS.

In other words,      “we teach a difficult offense, and basically we always teach to the highest level, the top players, and then everyone else pulls up to that level — because they want to play, and they are inspired to reach for their best.

We asked him if the same applies in the classroom.  And he said,

THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHat HAPPENS ACADEMICALLY = UNFORTUNATELY.

The p.s. classrooms are forces to TEACH TO THE LOWEST LEVEL of ability…………….. and they have been for some time now.

which we already knew, but thougth this was a great example.

that’s my two cents,

Amy S.

 

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: The 95 Theses

Christian,

I appreciate the thoughts behind the e-mail you sent.  You caused me to think for a while about what I believe and then formulate it in a way that makes sense..  I look forward to having a good dialogue about this topic.
I disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school.  There are pros and cons to public school, home school, and private school.  I do think it is a sin for parents to take little or no responsibility for their children’s education.  There are negligent home, private and public school parents.  There are also highly involved home, private and public school parents.  The problem with public schools is that most parents now expect the government to completely train their children, and the government has gladly taken that responsibility and run away with it.  The key to a child’s success is not the mode of formal education, but rather the reinforcement and life skills training that the parents give at home.  The most important aspect of training that parents give is the life the parents live.  If children see hypocrisy between the parent’s home and public life, the children will be much more inclined to ignore what the parents are attempting to teach at home.  Parents do bear a heavy responsibility for educating their children.  That responsibility does not require home schooling.

Having said that, I do believe that sending kids to public school today requires more effort on a parent’s part for raising children with an accurate world view and character than it did a generation ago..  I think instilling an accurate worldview in children while they are in public school requires more time and effort on the part of the parents than home schooling.  I also think the overall standards in the public school keep lowering so that in order to give a good formal education parents would have to teach at home anyway.  So, I think home school is the most efficient and rewarding way for parents to fulfill their training obligations.

Grace and Courage,
David Freeman

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95 Thesis Discussion

March 23, 2009 by Eugene Clingman.

Fantastic points David!

 

Not sure if  you noticed, but I kind of “chickened out” on even addressing the issue of “calling it a sin”

 

At this point in time, I can not look someone in the eye and tell them that putting their children in public school is a sin.

I don’t believe that’s my place. 

 

It has been very very interesting and encouraging to see many older people in our church become awakened to the facts about how

drastically the schools have changed since they were there.  And it appears to be easier for those who are older to see this truth.

Those who have their children in p.s. currently, and are caught up in the “rat race” of it all appear to be unable / unwilling to even consider the real ramifications.  This is just something we’ve observed.

 

Loved you example about “Christian influence in the bars, etc..”

 

Our view has been, that we would not send little ones out to fight the Philistines or any other ungodly enemies until they are

strong in the faith, in a Biblical worldview, and well-equipped for the battle.  Therefore, why send my first grader out to be salt and light…………..or my fourth grader……

……..when we all know the degree that children follow adults and how strong an adults influence can be upon them.

 

I truly valued Mrs. Beller’s comments at the Mother’s Tea when she compared her kids to plants with roots….

you protect the young, tender roots, and you set them out in the weather from time to time, but then you bring them back in

to shelter them until they are mature roots.  (something like that)

 

I’m not sure I’ve ever met someone who said their entire family was called to be in public school.

 

I do think there are forms of ministry that happen in p.s. at times, simply because there are Christians there.

When I taught high school I had some really great relationships with the students and some still correspond with me.

They knew what my beliefs were, and they were frankly very respectful about my stance and almost relieved to know

an adult who had steadfast beliefs and boundaries.   I do think it can be a mission field.  But a most dangerous one for

a youngster.

 

 

I guess my concerns are that in our country, it seems to have gone one direction for so long………downhill.

And I believe that parents and private sector people can always do a better job than government.

The school system is a big, powerful “beast” –   Large Animal  –  

And it is much to our nation’s detriment how big and how rotten it has become.

 

One example is required reading:  There’s a book out now, (you can look at this on Wikipedia under Nickel and Dimed)

a woman basically wrote a book about how no one can make it in America anymore, and she set out to prove that a job

will not lift you out of poverty.

Only the wealthy can make it.  

(In other words, The American Dream no longer exists, Capitalism is evil, and

it’s best when the government takes care of all of the people…………..through welfare, education, mandatory pre-school for kids

ages 3 and up……..etc….. free healthcare for everyone,   etc.)

 

This is required reading!!!!!

And, the product of our ps systems is highly visible in our nation’s  priorities and politics.

It is frankly frightening how much power they do have.

And, some say that’s been their intent from the beginning.  Get the children, and you own the minds of the next generation.

If you can take over social/community groups and train them to even doubt God, you’ll win.

 

 

Thankfully,

A young man wrote another book to the contrary. (Wikipedia - Nickel and Dimed )

He started out with 25.00, went to an unknown town, worked very hard,

worked his way up to better jobs, bought a used truck, and shared an apt with

a room mate.  He “made it” with hard work and dedication.

This book, however, isn’t ‘required’ reading.

 

I am rambling.

I may even be off point.

I have been on both sides of this fence.

I was on the other side prior to becoming a mother.

 

I pray and believe that God is raising up a generation of godly, children to

take over high places in this nation and that will be used mightily to further the Kingdom of God.

I believe many of these will be home educated.

 

 

I am still learning.

Below is a list of

 

Some good points I’ve picked up on lately from other believers:

 

Dr. Del Tacket (Truth Project) YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS STUDY IF YOU HAVEN”T

every Christian should.

He brings out that  education/ cultures must answer several questions:

Who is man?

Who is God?

How does our government school / culture answer these?

 

There is an ongoing conflict between our sinful nature (desires) and our Spirit.

Humanist thinking teaches students to LIVE FOR SELF

and you are nothing more than a cosmic accident.

 

They view basic needs as “Instincts” and teach we are no more than animals.

(I realized WHY PETA — people can get so riled up about saving the whales………they’ve been

taught for so long that we are no better than the animals.

 

If you begin to make me feel guilty about the pursuit of my desires - you are intolerant.

It’s all about me following my own script and my own desires.

 

this is so dangerous. 

 

As a p.s. student from a very excellent Christian home, I can relate how damaged my mind was by

p.s. teachings. ( And I won’t even get into the collegiate issues)

 

Biblically, gov’t only has two jobs:

1. punish evil

2. condone good

(gov’t must know what is good and what is evil)

 

 

We have lost control.  We are the inheritors of a fantastic Christian legacy from

before the founding fathers.

Men have forgotten God.

George Washington’s farewell address……………he knew how important morality was

to leadership…….if the republic was going to survive

 

Revisionist history is lies that all of this nation’s p.s. children have been taught.

THey have not been taught truth / true history.

 

They’ve been mentally ripped off really.  Robbed of the truth.

Look at what has been “deleted” from the Mayflower Compact.

 

A people without a heritage are very easily persuaded.

If I can change your hist. context, I can change your view of the present. — Historical Revisionism - Lies taught to our kids.

 

We are left with no sense of identity or wisdom to move forward when we are robbed of the truth of history.

 

When any sense of belonging to a larger picture is destroyed, our purpose is destroyed.

 

Cursed is all learning contrary to the cross of Christ.

 

Only virtuous people are capable of FREEDOM.

 

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Others have said:

I see why some call this an annihilation of godly seed.

 

We are to make a way for our children to meditate on the Law of the Lord day and night.

 

Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Schools today are “without faith”

 

 

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Shake the Nation:

 

Jesus saying “suffer the little children come unto me, for such is the kingdom of God” paraphrase

Jesus EQUATES the KINDGOM OF GOD to CHILDREN!!!

 

This makes so much sense!

Our society has become so anti-child.

 

The taking captive of our children’s minds is equivalent to a frontal assault against the Kingdom of God.

(The enemy is blowing up our ammunition dumps - -  quivers full of children/arrows)

 

In every generation the battlefront shifts.

 

This is our lap of the race — what will my lap look like?

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Alright , I’m thinking now, it probably is sin.

 

My children are well aware of what sinners look like, because they live with me!

 

I sin in front of them.  I repent.  I teach them.  I do still sin.

 

I don’t think sending your children to p.s. will send you to hell.

 

I guess I am seeing now that it is sin.

 

Dr. Tacket reminds me of the great degree to which I have been duped in my thinking.

 

And he does it so humbly, eloquently and alongside of me.

 

 

Sorry this was so lengthy!

It goes against my English teacher editing drive!

amy

I am also realizing I need to listen to Del Tacket again.

My brainwashing has been diluted by godly teaching, but my brain still

needs frequent washing on this issue.

 

 

 

Oh my, I’ll stop now.

 

 

 

 

—– Original Message —–

 

Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:29 AM

Subject: Re: The 95 Theses

 

Amy,

 

Great stories.  I guess my question is about the word “sin.”  Is it a “sin” to send your kids to public schools?  I do think it is very risky to send your kids to public school.  My answer to people who say, “We need to have Christian kids in public school so we can have a Christian influence in the system.” is, “Great, using the same logic and strategy, lets encourage all the church members to spend 6 hours 5 evenings per week in the local bars and strip clubs so we have more Christian influence in those places.”  :)  Do I think it would be a sin for church members to do that?  If it was done with good strategy, accountability, lots of prayer support and, most importantly, at the prompting of Jesus, that approach could have amazing evangelistic impacts on our communities. 

 

I really appreciate this conversation because you are forcing me to solidify my beliefs in this area.  It just dawned on me what does not settle well with me about calling it a “sin” to send kids to public school.  I have met some families who truly think Jesus has called them to the mission of the public schools.  They strategically prepared their kids every day, gave their kids accountability and prayer supper, and the parents maintained an active presence in the school system.  Those families felt Jesus required them to take that approach.  For us homeschoolers to judge their actions as “sin” puts us at risk of being in the same boat as the Pharisees.

 

We look at missionaries who take their families into closed pagan countries where every element of the family’s well being is at risk as great heroes.  Why can’t we give Christian parents who knowingly and courageously involve their family in the battle of public schools the same way respect?

 

Having said this, I think most Christian parents make the decision to send kids to public school as a default easy choice as opposed to a carefully considered eternal decision. 

Grace and Courage,

David

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Amy wrote:

good dialogue!

 

Something that has stuck in my mind…………..

through a comment from Eugene.

 

Russ and I ask (due to Eugene’s teachings) - where in God’s Word can you find an example of God’s people turning their children over to heathen / and or  gov’t authorities   to instruct them, teach them, affect them?

 

There are really great, Christian people that teach in the gov’t schools. Many in my family are there,and

(I used to be one of them! hee hee — not sure how ‘great’ but you know what I mean)

 

However, in most cases, their hands are tied by beauracracy, state mandates, tests tied to funding, ACLU nonsense, etc etc

 

And, experientially, school becomes a part of a young person’s life that is sadly — very anti-God.

And thus, life can become easily cordoned off into “church life”  home life     “school life”

 

When we did the TRUTH PROJECT with Dr. Del Tacket  it became so apparent to us how duped we’ve been.

(even we  who now have a pro-home education mindset.)

 

IF you haven’t sat under the teaching of the Truth Project……….DO, definitely do!

 

 

MY LAST 2 CENTS:

Something I’ve noticed and have heard other mom’s testify to:

 

Public School children - segregated by age

have great difficulty playing, sharing, caring, mentoring, and loving thier siblings or others who are not IN THEIR GRADE!!!

 

It is a phenomenon.

 

Home Educated children play in large multi-age groups, and siblings tend to get along and care about one another for the most part.

 

Public Ed. re-inforces this mentality of upper classmen, and segregation, and separation.

 

My friend who first called this to my attn. had 5 children in public school.

She said it would take about all summer to get her girls over the “mind of age segregation”, and by the end of the summer they’d be playing well together and very happy. Alas, all but to return to the age segregated school system.

 

She began homeschooling while her husband was in Iraq, and really noticed the difference in her daughters’ attitudes toward one another.  They became less stressed about petty peer pressures and more loving and accepting of one another as siblings. She actually saw “RELIEF” in their eyes and minds to not be under such influences.

 

Not sure how you want to term this…………  age segregation breaks down relationships and opportunities for growth

 

 

 

If I can share one more quick story……………..A coach came into our office this week and was talking about how he is thankful to be able to gear his team toward the STRONGEST PLAYERS.

In other words,      “we teach a difficult offense, and basically we always teach to the highest level, the top players, and then everyone else pulls up to that level — because they want to play, and they are inspired to reach for their best.

We asked him if the same applies in the classroom.  And he said,

 

THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHat HAPPENS ACADEMICALLY = UNFORTUNATELY.

The p.s. classrooms are forces to TEACH TO THE LOWEST LEVEL of ability……………… and they have been for some time now.

 

 

which we already knew, but thougth this was a great example.    

that’s my two cents,

Amy

 

 

 

—– Original Message —–

 

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: The 95 Theses

 

Christian,

 

I appreciate the thoughts behind the e-mail you sent.  You caused me to think for a while about what I believe and then formulate it in a way that makes sense..  I look forward to having a good dialogue about this topic.

 

I disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school.  There are pros and cons to public school, home school, and private school.  I do think it is a sin for parents to take little or no responsibility for their children’s education.  There are negligent home, private and public school parents.  There are also highly involved home, private and public school parents.  The problem with public schools is that most parents now expect the government to completely train their children, and the government has gladly taken that responsibility and run away with it.  The key to a child’s success is not the mode of formal education, but rather the reinforcement and life skills training that the parents give at home.  The most important aspect of training that parents give is the life the parents live.  If children see hypocrisy between the parent’s home and public life, the children will be much more inclined to ignore what the parents are attempting to teach at home.  Parents do bear a heavy responsibility for educating their children.  That responsibility does not require home schooling.

 

Having said that, I do believe that sending kids to public school today requires more effort on a parent’s part for raising children with an accurate world view and character than it did a generation ago..  I think instilling an accurate worldview in children while they are in public school requires more time and effort on the part of the parents than home schooling.  I also think the overall standards in the public school keep lowering so that in order to give a good formal education parents would have to teach at home anyway.  So, I think home school is the most efficient and rewarding way for parents to fulfill their training obligations.

 

Grace and Courage,

David

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Christian wrote:

Greetings Sirs and Ladies,

 

My name is Christian Clingman. Me and my dad are on a hot fight with Satan who loves to indoctrinate our Christian children in the public schools. We and our family know that sending our Christian kids off to school is not only un-Biblical but it is also a sin. Those that agree with us and many others before us have listed it as the 2nd most debilitating thing in the Church today. We hope you will take time to read this letter and email your thoughts.

 

My dad recently interviewed a pastor in our area. My dad got into a conversation with him on Public Schools. The pastor had the idea (as most pastors do have) that sending Christian kids of to Public Schools would help to further the Great Commission and have the kid be a “sald and light” to those around him. We could not convince the pastor in what we believed in and so went home.

 

That Sunday afternoon, my dad and I talked with each other and we came with the idea that we should come out with a 95 Theses on Public Schools. These 95 Theses my dad and I are helping to create are full of 95 things that are a bad influence to our kids.

 

Please email back more theses or reasons on the bad influences of Public Schools. We would also appreciate your thoughts or suggestions or editations on this document. The International Church Council Project approves this work and is helping to work on this. They strongly believe that sending our Christian kids off to Public Schools is not only un-Biblical, but also it is a sin. Our Church and most reformed believers believe that this dillema is the 2nd most Debilitating thing in the Church. Please join the cause!

 

Go with God,
Christian LC

 

 

P.S This is how many bad influences and things in this list that the International Church Council Project and others have put out. We are not quite finish with it yet. We need Please email any other reasons. This is our first document that we are thinking of coming out right now. And once this document is finished, International Church Council Project would gladly send you the finished document for you to sign…

 

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The 95 Theses

Articles concerning the 2^nd Most Debilitating Parasite in the Church

 

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In the Name of God, Amen.

 

We the Church of Christ, and faithful followers of Christianity, and citizens of Christendom, do here by declare to the saints of the Church and our brothers in Christ, a dragon or serpent in our midst, which has for the past century, eaten away the hope of the Church and the lives of our children. We declare to thee therefore, the articles that need to be shown and read to thee and thy families. Our conscience is captive to the word of God. So must yours. Seek the truth, and the truth will set us free, and most importantly our hope.

 

                        Amen.

 

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1. Ruining the hope of the Church.

2. Stealing the minds of Children.

3. Turning the heart of the children from the Father.

4. Slays our Children.

5. Messes their body.

6. Separates couples.

7. Joins same gender.

8. Conforms them to the world.

9. Hard to live life.

10. Helps the enemy.

11. They join the media and make up deceptive stories and words.

12. Progression of Islam.

13. Brings curses on the land.

14. Forms new ideas contrary to the Word of God.

15. Makes them weak to protect their lives and that of others.

16. Fight for a wrong cause.

17. Traitorism.

18. Less Honorable.

19. Produces Pornography.

20. Doesn’t help parents to practice in the things of God.

21. Less Bible Knowledge.

22. Makes government weak and evil.

23. Makes workers lazy.

24. Less money returned to God…

25. Makes them Idolize Money.

26. They ignore their children…

27. Hard to read.

28. Hard to solve math.

29. Destroys our nation.

30. Idolizes Character.

31. Idolizes Others.

32. Lack of joining God in Fellowship.

33. Less Good Literature.

34. Causes a despising character against foreigners.

35. Makes nature and animals more important then human life.

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Sanctity of Life - Jerry - New Strategy

June 2, 2007 by Eugene Clingman.

JAY AND GENE, I still believe we need a new strategy (perhaps Gene’s wise counsel below) or at least discuss the strategy and the biblical ramifications of this with “leaders” and those with a heart for this killing of babies in the pro-life community, as discussed in our early 2006 conference phone call Board meeting of COR (when I proposed this and we pursued the #22 Essentials, which is excellent work). Our shameful baloney about the partial-birth abortion matter, with congressional legislation a few years back, finally culminating in the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the ban on this “procedure” and Justice Kennedy’s remarks on it (again confusing and maybe deceiving pro-lifers) which ONLY did one thing: stop a particularly gruesome way of killing babies who are ready for birth, with various restrictions. It did not really stop even one baby from being murdered in or out of the womb by abortionists, who can go to other gruesome procedures as well and get around the restrictions. We are always so kind (and we think we are being wise as serpents, but more we are harmless as doves, but non-effective) - by taking little tiny baby (so to speak) steps in this abortion industry and blight on America. I like Gene’s proposal (approach) and think much brainstorming talk needs to be done, with the high powered groups out there fighting the battle. We must stand for godly (God’s) principles and commandments. Oh my gosh, how many years in America will the church continue to kow-tow on this issue, pussyfoot around, and tolerate the murdering of innocent (so to speak) children before they are born or even at birth!!!!! We can rescue some at abortion mills, and that is good. We can pray all we want, but we need a comprehensive (2.4 year) plan to end it; through Imprecatory Prayer and wiser and better approaches to reach people and save children and terminate the “legal” murders, etc. etc.

A summit meeting of key people, and some others at the mills, and those we are getting on our lists. Who is ever going to do it when we are all going our separate ways, with approaches that are good intentioned and making some difference. But even after this partial birth ban, we are NO better (other than maybe the general public becoming a little bit more aware). The opposition took on the pro-choice banner (verbiage) as their campaign a long time ago, and we have yet to counter that garbage effectively. I do not have the answers, but I believe Gene is on the right track; and COR and Int’l Church Council has one of the better biblically-reasoned position papers. We need a summit on this issue! (I think even more than “organizing” trying to get pastors and pastor councils going around the country which will take umpteen years; while a much worthy goal)….. IF we can’t lick abortion in the USA after 35 years, when will we ever do so. Business as usual is not making much of a dent. Radical approaches and campaigns, and action with prayers, coordinated perhaps among key pro-life groups and people. Like the Unruh’s in So. Dakota – Jay’s friends. But so many more. Like the Florida group Jay met with. But Operation Rescue, National Right to Life League and so many more groups and people; we could come together and at least talk about a new direction or continue to the old direction. As Pastor Ed Martin in Florida, who goes to mills several days a week to rescue babies and mothers, says: The Church could stop abortion quickly if we were all serious about doing so (most pastors aren’t)!

Shall we take the lead on this (as a main and primary focus, along with Solemn Assemblies) of our 24-year Plan (and make it our 2.4 year goal) to END ABORTION IN AMERICA!!!!!????????

Any furthering thoughts on this? Do we have a Sanctity of Life Committee and what is it doing about getting our documents into the hands of those who are interested in this pro-life Christian matter and then to maybe get everyone we can together (discreetly if possible) to hammer out a focus and new strategy the Lord may give us as to how to reach more people, and shut down more clinics and override the Supreme Court with their insane pronouncements and decisions on allowing legal murder of our children and for so long. The impotent Church must arise to this task!!!!!! Jerry

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Sanctity of Life - Eugene Thinks, Prays, Responds!

June 2, 2007 by Eugene Clingman.

Jerry,

I believe we Christians need to be coming to grips with the essence of why abortion is wrong. It is wrong because God is the only one who has the sovereignty to determine who should live and who should die (Deut. 32:39). Watching such a film as you referred us to can make one feel sentimental and/or abhorred over the mutilation of little bodies, but when we go to the root of why this is wrong we must stand in the fact that God is, that He is Creator of life, and therefore is the only one who may determine who should live or die. This Sovereign Creator God has given us direction concerning the killing of certain people (capital punishment for murder, rape, kidnapping, adultery, homosexuality, etc. as according to God’s Word), but He has given us no authority to take life from the womb, from newborns, or from sickly or deformed people. Therefore we must not take it. If God wants someone dead, He is well able to remove life from them (or as in instances of capital punishment mandated by God the state is authorized). Humans are not authorized to decide who lives and dies apart from those instances in which we are directed by God’s Word.

Are we Christians impotent in the “right to life” fight because we compromise with sentimentalists who do not bow to this truth? Are we in doing so as the Children of Israel going into Canaan failing to deal totally with the enemy? (Deut. 33:55-56). Do we allow the enemy to live in our midst and so render ourselves unable to carry the battle forward because we do not deal with the real issues?

I believe ending abortion must be accomplished by restoring to our culture (and by insisting in our pro-life endeavors) the absolute sovereignty of God over life. We bow before Him. To fight abortion on the terms of antinomian sentimentalists who feel queasy over the destruction of little bodies will continue to render us without lasting success.

As we are wise as serpents and harmless as doves, we must maintain “No Neutrality!”

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Sanctity of Life - An email from Jerry begins our conversation

June 2, 2007 by Eugene Clingman.

Dear Jay, Dave, Gene, kindly check out this website and hook on to the video tape of an aborted baby (its dead body, limbs, organs, etc.).

Maybe something like this ought to be sent to key people together with our Essentials #22 on Sanctity of Human Life? Who is the Committee networking and coordinating distribution of the #22 documents and helping on a campaign to end baby murder (child sacrifice)? This is from England. I think we need some sort of SUMMIT MEETING of all the Pro-Life groups in USA to figure out a new campaign (not to ignore the Holy Spirit, but to find where God is working on this crucial issue and get going faster). We have all these wonderful documents prepared by excellent theologians and Christian brothers; how can we get them to people who can utilize them in this battle for “life”???? (anyway, is the video on this website too gruesome (or graphic anyway) for dissemination, or will it rile up people for action and educate women to reconsider what they are doing (and how to get into their hands)????? Jerry

The LifeLeague Website - http://www.uklifeleague.com

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