95 Thesis Discussion
Posted By Eugene Clingman On March 23, 2009 @ 8:42 pm In Government School | 1 Comment
Fantastic points David!
Not sure if you noticed, but I kind of “chickened out” on even addressing the issue of “calling it a sin”
At this point in time, I can not look someone in the eye and tell them that putting their children in public school is a sin.
I don’t believe that’s my place.
It has been very very interesting and encouraging to see many older people in our church become awakened to the facts about how
drastically the schools have changed since they were there. And it appears to be easier for those who are older to see this truth.
Those who have their children in p.s. currently, and are caught up in the “rat race” of it all appear to be unable / unwilling to even consider the real ramifications. This is just something we’ve observed.
Loved you example about “Christian influence in the bars, etc..”
Our view has been, that we would not send little ones out to fight the Philistines or any other ungodly enemies until they are
strong in the faith, in a Biblical worldview, and well-equipped for the battle. Therefore, why send my first grader out to be salt and light…………..or my fourth grader……
……..when we all know the degree that children follow adults and how strong an adults influence can be upon them.
I truly valued Mrs. Beller’s comments at the Mother’s Tea when she compared her kids to plants with roots….
you protect the young, tender roots, and you set them out in the weather from time to time, but then you bring them back in
to shelter them until they are mature roots. (something like that)
I’m not sure I’ve ever met someone who said their entire family was called to be in public school.
I do think there are forms of ministry that happen in p.s. at times, simply because there are Christians there.
When I taught high school I had some really great relationships with the students and some still correspond with me.
They knew what my beliefs were, and they were frankly very respectful about my stance and almost relieved to know
an adult who had steadfast beliefs and boundaries. I do think it can be a mission field. But a most dangerous one for
a youngster.
I guess my concerns are that in our country, it seems to have gone one direction for so long………downhill.
And I believe that parents and private sector people can always do a better job than government.
The school system is a big, powerful “beast” – Large Animal –
And it is much to our nation’s detriment how big and how rotten it has become.
One example is required reading: There’s a book out now, (you can look at this on Wikipedia under Nickel and Dimed)
a woman basically wrote a book about how no one can make it in America anymore, and she set out to prove that a job
will not lift you out of poverty.
Only the wealthy can make it.
(In other words, The American Dream no longer exists, Capitalism is evil, and
it’s best when the government takes care of all of the people…………..through welfare, education, mandatory pre-school for kids
ages 3 and up……..etc….. free healthcare for everyone, etc.)
This is required reading!!!!!
And, the product of our ps systems is highly visible in our nation’s priorities and politics.
It is frankly frightening how much power they do have.
And, some say that’s been their intent from the beginning. Get the children, and you own the minds of the next generation.
If you can take over social/community groups and train them to even doubt God, you’ll win.
Thankfully,
A young man wrote another book to the contrary. (Wikipedia - Nickel and Dimed )
He started out with 25.00, went to an unknown town, worked very hard,
worked his way up to better jobs, bought a used truck, and shared an apt with
a room mate. He “made it” with hard work and dedication.
This book, however, isn’t ‘required’ reading.
I am rambling.
I may even be off point.
I have been on both sides of this fence.
I was on the other side prior to becoming a mother.
I pray and believe that God is raising up a generation of godly, children to
take over high places in this nation and that will be used mightily to further the
I believe many of these will be home educated.
I am still learning.
Below is a list of
Some good points I’ve picked up on lately from other believers:
Dr. Del Tacket (Truth Project) YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS STUDY IF YOU HAVEN”T
every Christian should.
He brings out that education/ cultures must answer several questions:
Who is man?
Who is God?
How does our government school / culture answer these?
There is an ongoing conflict between our sinful nature (desires) and our Spirit.
Humanist thinking teaches students to LIVE FOR SELF
and you are nothing more than a cosmic accident.
They view basic needs as “Instincts” and teach we are no more than animals.
(I realized WHY PETA — people can get so riled up about saving the whales………they’ve been
taught for so long that we are no better than the animals. 
If you begin to make me feel guilty about the pursuit of my desires - you are intolerant.
It’s all about me following my own script and my own desires.
this is so dangerous.
As a p.s. student from a very excellent Christian home, I can relate how damaged my mind was by
p.s. teachings. ( And I won’t even get into the collegiate issues)
Biblically, gov’t only has two jobs:
1. punish evil
2. condone good
(gov’t must know what is good and what is evil)
We have lost control. We are the inheritors of a fantastic Christian legacy from
before the founding fathers.
Men have forgotten God.
George Washington’s farewell address……………he knew how important morality was
to leadership…….if the republic was going to survive
Revisionist history is lies that all of this nation’s p.s. children have been taught.
THey have not been taught truth / true history.
They’ve been mentally ripped off really. Robbed of the truth.
Look at what has been “deleted” from the Mayflower Compact.
A people without a heritage are very easily persuaded.
If I can change your hist. context, I can change your view of the present. — Historical Revisionism - Lies taught to our kids.
We are left with no sense of identity or wisdom to move forward when we are robbed of the truth of history.
When any sense of belonging to a larger picture is destroyed, our purpose is destroyed.
Cursed is all learning contrary to the cross of Christ.
Only virtuous people are capable of FREEDOM.
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Others have said:
I see why some call this an annihilation of godly seed.
We are to make a way for our children to meditate on the Law of the Lord day and night.
Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Schools today are “without faith”
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Shake the Nation:
Jesus saying “suffer the little children come unto me, for such is the
Jesus EQUATES the KINDGOM OF GOD to CHILDREN!!!
This makes so much sense!
Our society has become so anti-child.
The taking captive of our children’s minds is equivalent to a frontal assault against the
(The enemy is blowing up our ammunition dumps - - quivers full of children/arrows)
In every generation the battlefront shifts.
This is our lap of the race — what will my lap look like?
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Alright , I’m thinking now, it probably is sin.
My children are well aware of what sinners look like, because they live with me!
I sin in front of them. I repent. I teach them. I do still sin.
I don’t think sending your children to p.s. will send you to hell.
I guess I am seeing now that it is sin.
Dr. Tacket reminds me of the great degree to which I have been duped in my thinking.
And he does it so humbly, eloquently and alongside of me.
Sorry this was so lengthy!
It goes against my English teacher editing drive!
amy
I am also realizing I need to listen to Del Tacket again.
My brainwashing has been diluted by godly teaching, but my brain still
needs frequent washing on this issue.
Oh my, I’ll stop now.
—– Original Message —–
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: The 95 Theses
Amy,
Great stories. I guess my question is about the word “sin.” Is it a “sin” to send your kids to public schools? I do think it is very risky to send your kids to public school. My answer to people who say, “We need to have Christian kids in public school so we can have a Christian influence in the system.” is, “Great, using the same logic and strategy, lets encourage all the church members to spend 6 hours 5 evenings per week in the local bars and strip clubs so we have more Christian influence in those places.” :) Do I think it would be a sin for church members to do that? If it was done with good strategy, accountability, lots of prayer support and, most importantly, at the prompting of Jesus, that approach could have amazing evangelistic impacts on our communities.
I really appreciate this conversation because you are forcing me to solidify my beliefs in this area. It just dawned on me what does not settle well with me about calling it a “sin” to send kids to public school. I have met some families who truly think Jesus has called them to the mission of the public schools. They strategically prepared their kids every day, gave their kids accountability and prayer supper, and the parents maintained an active presence in the school system. Those families felt Jesus required them to take that approach. For us homeschoolers to judge their actions as “sin” puts us at risk of being in the same boat as the Pharisees.
We look at missionaries who take their families into closed pagan countries where every element of the family’s well being is at risk as great heroes. Why can’t we give Christian parents who knowingly and courageously involve their family in the battle of public schools the same way respect?
Having said this, I think most Christian parents make the decision to send kids to public school as a default easy choice as opposed to a carefully considered eternal decision.
Grace and Courage,
David
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Amy wrote:
good dialogue!
Something that has stuck in my mind…………..
through a comment from
Russ and I ask (due to
There are really great, Christian people that teach in the gov’t schools. Many in my family are there,and
(I used to be one of them! hee hee — not sure how ‘great’ but you know what I mean)
However, in most cases, their hands are tied by beauracracy, state mandates, tests tied to funding, ACLU nonsense, etc etc
And, experientially, school becomes a part of a young person’s life that is sadly — very anti-God.
And thus, life can become easily cordoned off into “church life” home life “school life”
When we did the TRUTH PROJECT with Dr. Del Tacket it became so apparent to us how duped we’ve been.
(even we who now have a pro-home education mindset.)
IF you haven’t sat under the teaching of the Truth Project……….DO, definitely do!
MY LAST 2 CENTS:
Something I’ve noticed and have heard other mom’s testify to:
Public School children - segregated by age
have great difficulty playing, sharing, caring, mentoring, and loving thier siblings or others who are not IN THEIR GRADE!!!
It is a phenomenon.
Home Educated children play in large multi-age groups, and siblings tend to get along and care about one another for the most part.
Public Ed. re-inforces this mentality of upper classmen, and segregation, and separation.
My friend who first called this to my attn. had 5 children in public school.
She said it would take about all summer to get her girls over the “mind of age segregation”, and by the end of the summer they’d be playing well together and very happy. Alas, all but to return to the age segregated school system.
She began homeschooling while her husband was in
Not sure how you want to term this………… age segregation breaks down relationships and opportunities for growth
If I can share one more quick story……………..A coach came into our office this week and was talking about how he is thankful to be able to gear his team toward the STRONGEST PLAYERS.
In other words, “we teach a difficult offense, and basically we always teach to the highest level, the top players, and then everyone else pulls up to that level — because they want to play, and they are inspired to reach for their best.
We asked him if the same applies in the classroom. And he said,
THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHat HAPPENS ACADEMICALLY = UNFORTUNATELY.
The p.s. classrooms are forces to TEACH TO THE LOWEST LEVEL of ability……………… and they have been for some time now.
which we already knew, but thougth this was a great example.
that’s my two cents,
Amy
—– Original Message —–
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: The 95 Theses
Christian,
I appreciate the thoughts behind the e-mail you sent. You caused me to think for a while about what I believe and then formulate it in a way that makes sense.. I look forward to having a good dialogue about this topic.
I disagree that it is a sin to send your children to public school. There are pros and cons to public school, home school, and private school. I do think it is a sin for parents to take little or no responsibility for their children’s education. There are negligent home, private and public school parents. There are also highly involved home, private and public school parents. The problem with public schools is that most parents now expect the government to completely train their children, and the government has gladly taken that responsibility and run away with it. The key to a child’s success is not the mode of formal education, but rather the reinforcement and life skills training that the parents give at home. The most important aspect of training that parents give is the life the parents live. If children see hypocrisy between the parent’s home and public life, the children will be much more inclined to ignore what the parents are attempting to teach at home. Parents do bear a heavy responsibility for educating their children. That responsibility does not require home schooling.
Having said that, I do believe that sending kids to public school today requires more effort on a parent’s part for raising children with an accurate world view and character than it did a generation ago.. I think instilling an accurate worldview in children while they are in public school requires more time and effort on the part of the parents than home schooling. I also think the overall standards in the public school keep lowering so that in order to give a good formal education parents would have to teach at home anyway. So, I think home school is the most efficient and rewarding way for parents to fulfill their training obligations.
Grace and Courage,
David
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Christian wrote:
Greetings Sirs and Ladies,
My name is Christian Clingman. Me and my dad are on a hot fight with Satan who loves to indoctrinate our Christian children in the public schools. We and our family know that sending our Christian kids off to school is not only un-Biblical but it is also a sin. Those that agree with us and many others before us have listed it as the 2nd most debilitating thing in the Church today. We hope you will take time to read this letter and email your thoughts.
My dad recently interviewed a pastor in our area. My dad got into a conversation with him on Public Schools. The pastor had the idea (as most pastors do have) that sending Christian kids of to Public Schools would help to further the Great Commission and have the kid be a “sald and light” to those around him. We could not convince the pastor in what we believed in and so went home.
That Sunday afternoon, my dad and I talked with each other and we came with the idea that we should come out with a 95 Theses on Public Schools. These 95 Theses my dad and I are helping to create are full of 95 things that are a bad influence to our kids.
Please email back more theses or reasons on the bad influences of Public Schools. We would also appreciate your thoughts or suggestions or editations on this document. The International Church Council Project approves this work and is helping to work on this. They strongly believe that sending our Christian kids off to Public Schools is not only un-Biblical, but also it is a sin. Our Church and most reformed believers believe that this dillema is the 2nd most Debilitating thing in the Church. Please join the cause!
Go with God,
Christian LC
P.S This is how many bad influences and things in this list that the International Church Council Project and others have put out. We are not quite finish with it yet. We need Please email any other reasons. This is our first document that we are thinking of coming out right now. And once this document is finished, International Church Council Project would gladly send you the finished document for you to sign…
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The 95 Theses
Articles concerning the 2nd Most Debilitating Parasite in the Church
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In the Name of God, Amen.
We the Church of Christ, and faithful followers of Christianity, and citizens of Christendom, do here by declare to the saints of the Church and our brothers in Christ, a dragon or serpent in our midst, which has for the past century, eaten away the hope of the Church and the lives of our children. We declare to thee therefore, the articles that need to be shown and read to thee and thy families. Our conscience is captive to the word of God. So must yours. Seek the truth, and the truth will set us free, and most importantly our hope.
Amen.
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1. Ruining the hope of the Church.
2. Stealing the minds of Children.
3. Turning the heart of the children from the Father.
4. Slays our Children.
5. Messes their body.
6. Separates couples.
7. Joins same gender.
8. Conforms them to the world.
9. Hard to live life.
10. Helps the enemy.
11. They join the media and make up deceptive stories and words.
12. Progression of Islam.
13. Brings curses on the land.
14. Forms new ideas contrary to the Word of God.
15. Makes them weak to protect their lives and that of others.
16. Fight for a wrong cause.
17. Traitorism.
18. Less Honorable.
19. Produces Pornography.
20. Doesn’t help parents to practice in the things of God.
21. Less Bible Knowledge.
22. Makes government weak and evil.
23. Makes workers lazy.
24. Less money returned to God…
25. Makes them Idolize Money.
26. They ignore their children…
27. Hard to read.
28. Hard to solve math.
29. Destroys our nation.
30. Idolizes Character.
31. Idolizes Others.
32. Lack of joining God in Fellowship.
33. Less Good Literature.
34. Causes a despising character against foreigners.
35. Makes nature and animals more important then human life.
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